When do you think our "ultra civilized", western"friends" will recognize the crimes their christian brothers carried out???
this is filmed right after the murders,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIT8hwm4A...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=rel...
http://www.azerigenocide.org/photos.htm I`m impressed with the creativeness of our trolls. Our new guy claims to be Turkish but doesn`t know how to spell what he calls "allah akhbar" right. Armenians always played out their role of oppressed, broken, beaten and battered noble Christians to gather sympathy for their lucrative and abject intentions. They were, as it appears quite successful at it since Europe, being always prone to anti-Turkish propaganda of any kind, is uninformed of the misdeeds Armenians carried out. No one mentions what Armenians did to Turks and Circassians in Eastern and Western Anatolia, nobody talks about the Armenian Nazis in Hitler's army who were very enthusiastic about getting rid of "Jewish scum" although, now they unashamedly quote the Holocaust on every occasion, nobody even remembers those Azeri martyrs in the videos. Most of the people, are unfortunately stupid, show them a couple of fabricated photographs, make some emotional, angry, passionate speeches about how noble your intentions are and how you do all what you do for your supposed ancestors, show them a stupid Hollywood film and you can make them believe in anything you want, anything. Even a genocide as it is in the case of Armenians.
Europe is somewhere far away. WE are Armenia's neighbor and WE refuse to forget what happened to our Azeri brothers.That is all that matters.
May God rest them in peace.
Edit: This picture provides the Armenians a splendid justification though. http://www.azatyurt.com/resim/hocaliderg... and here is Glorious history of Arcakh (Karabagh)
http://nkr.am/eng/history/voin... Report It
I agree with Sera, Great answer and the right one. Report It
Do you know ANYTHING about Karabakh conflict?
Seems no.
EDIT:
When you Turks call the "genocide" as war, I don't surprise seeing you call the "war" as genocide.
Read the following and find out "who" and "how" started it:
* Chronology of Karabakh conflict:
http://www.c-r.org/our-work/accord/nagor...
Read it. An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
- Gandhi Can you tell me other then
Turks and Azeri's who believe
this war (conflict) amounts to
genocide. I think it is something
conjured up by Turks to keep this
ongoing hate campaign going against
the Armenians.
To Joannah,
Although I believe you are
sincerely trying to to make
a valuable contribution in
your effort to make this
question a worthy comparison
to how Armenians perceive
the Turks denial of the Armenian
Genocide, I am afraid though
my friend that you have failed
to comprehend some very vital
factors. Armenian Genocide
is recognized all over the world.
Its acceptance has been concluded
on evidence, which you lack to
prove your accusation. Remembering
this conflict and all the lives lost on
both sides would truly be a pausable
solution in which both Armenians and
Turks could share.
By Turks continuing to insist on these false
claims such as this one,
(which if were true still could
not excuse or erase the Armenian
Genocide or the denial of it) one can
only assume that their intentions are not
based on compassion for the actual
events of this conflict, but more so
on contemptuous ones.
Here I have listed a site that I feel
does not favor either side but just states
the facts unbiasly.. I know an intellegent
person like you will deduce that
in fact it was a war and both sides
suffered evenly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Kar... " even Kosovo genocide which took place in the heart of Europe only 15 years ago is already forgotten."
I would argue that both genocides are not forgotten... but hopefully they have been resolved to the point that similar events will not occur in these regions again.
The Western world now needs to spend less time worrying about "semi-resolved" conflicts and focus on the genocides that are taking place now! Such as in Congo, Southeast Asia, Darfur and many other parts of Africa!
Genocides are not something easy to forget, but wouldn't the world be a better place if we can focus on the ones currently taking place than spending all our energy upset about the past? It's over, there's nothing more we can do except learn from it. You know it is really funny that you guys just turn a blind eye to the slaughter of Armenians in 1915, 1.5 million people disappeared during "relocation" not to mention the rape, torture, malaria, hunger, beheadings, executions of these people. And the taking over their ancestral homeland which accounts half of Turkey. After 100 years later justifying it as simple as "war".
But the Kojali massacres which took the life of 613 people in one night during the full scale war between Armenia and Azerbaijan, you guys just become the victims and very quickly classify it as a so-called genocide.
REMINDER: Before Armenian troops entered Kojali, Armenian Troops gave nonstop warning that they were going to take over the village, even provided a route for the people of the village to leave peacefully. Those people who wanted to leave were shot by Azeri army, they could not leave the village. There was a big interior conflict within the Azerbaijani government, The Kojali massacres was a result of Azerbaijani government's frame up, The Azeri army was using civilians as a protection, that is a major violation of International Law of War.
Still, I dont find it justified what happened in Kojali. I am very sorry for the loss of the lifes of the innocent victims. These people didnt have to die, nor the victims of Armenian Genocide. Azergayjan started the war with the Sumgait Pogrom. That Pogrom was an Azeri-led pogrom that targeted the Armenian population of the seaside town of Sumgait. That was a war. Some people don't know what a genocide is. An example of a Genocide would be the Armenian Genocide where 1.5 million Armenians were killed by the turks. Vocab for stupit people/
Vocabulary words: Genocide, War.
Genocide - The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group.
War - a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air.
So it can not be a genocide because azergayjan started the war. If you want to call it a genocide the call it the second Armenian genocide(by azergayjan.)
I also Agree with my brother Bemmer.
BTW why did you put this question in this section. This is the chicken, turkey, hen, duck etc... section. Don't even start it.
This is what really happened.
http://armenians.com/Genocide/ByAzeris/i...
See what Barberians do to our lands and our people.
http://www.armenianhouse.org/villari/cau...
Your youtube clips are just a pictures of unfurtunate daed people of war, not a genocide.
Here is the history of Azerbaijan, of course that's before they come on suface out of nowhere, 80 or 90 years ago.
find it in Vahe's QA
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;...
and here is Glorious history of Arcakh (Karabagh)
http://nkr.am/eng/history/voina.htm We sure do remember and not likely to forget.
As per the rest of the Christian word, even Kosovo genocide which took place in the heart of Europe only 15 years ago is already forgotten. I really don't think they will either remember or care for Azeri's. I remember look at how Armenian attack their own moderate people who want to investigate the alleged "Genocide" claims;-
Raffi Hovannisian Panders to Turkey At the Cost of Political Bankruptcy By Appo Jabarian*
August 29, 2007, Armenia's Heritage Party leader Raffi K. Hovannisian sent a letter of congratulations to the then newly elected Turkish president Abdullah Gul.
He wrote: "The deep divides between our countries, be they of contemporary character or part of the legacy of the Great Armenian Dispossession, must be overcome and resolved in truth, with integrity, and through the partnership of the two new leaders and their fellow citizens of good faith and conscience."
Soon after the content of the letter was revealed, the highly insulting term "Great Armenian Dispossession" used in lieu of the words "The Armenian Genocide" sent political shockwaves in Armenia and the Diaspora. Heritage Party officials hoped the issue would disappear with the flow of time. But the exact opposite happened.
On February 13, Armen Tsaturyan of "Hayots Ashkhar" (The Armenian World) wrote a scathing commentary against Hovannisian. He stated: "If we set aside all the political major and minor likability and non-likability issues and are guided by cool logic, we can not define Raffi Hovannisian's action except with one word: 'Treason.'"
Tsaturyan reported that Hovannisian pandered to Turkey as follows: "It is to be hoped that, during your tenure and that of the next Armenian president to be elected in several months' time, Turkish-Armenian relations will enter a wholly new phase of reflection, exploration, discovery, and ultimate normalization."
"It turns out that the son of historian Richard Hovannisian, a notable heir to the victims of the Armenian Genocide, needs further 'studies' on the issue of the Armenian Genocide. With his outlandish proposal to co-initiate 'studies,' he is furthering the Turkish obvious goal to establish a joint commission of historians. And that is the shortest route to subjecting the facts of the Armenian genocide to suspicion," concluded Tsaturyan.
On February 16, according to Noyan Tapan news agency, in an open letter to the Heritage Party, the chairman of the Armenian community of Slovakia Ashot Grigorian blasted Hovannisian: "No doubt, Raffi Hovannisian should have been well aware of the political value of the term 'genocide,' whose importance is hard to overestimate today. Turkey is ready to pay dearly if the Armenians agree to replace the term 'genocide' with any other word. ... In his letter, Hovannisian replaced voluntarily the term 'genocide' with another term more acceptable to Turks, thus ruining the work we have done for years and decades. This calls into question today the result of the huge and hard work on passing the resolution on the genocide in the National Assembly of Slovakia. The resolutions passed by the parliaments of about twenty countries have also been deprived of meaning."
An Armenian activist underlined: "As the saying goes, one should not change horses in
mid-stream, Armenians have invested decades of effort to get the words Armenian Genocide recognized. There is no reason to abandon that and start using another word. In fact, the smart thing to do would have been to use all sorts of words like 'forced deportation', 'mass killings', 'ethnic cleansing', 'dispossession', but use these words in addition to 'genocide', NOT in its place. Also, why is Raffi congratulating Gul? He is neither the President nor the Foreign Minister of Armenia!"
One wonders, what's going on in the Hovannisian households in Los Angeles and Yerevan?
In early 2006, the grandfather Prof. Richard Hovannisian of UCLA, reportedly told RFE/RL that "in some respects Armenia is now an even less democratic state than Turkey, its historical foe regularly castigated by the West for its poor human and civil rights record."
On July 30, 2007, on the eve of the passage by U.S. House Foreign Relations Committee of the Armenian Genocide resolution 106, Raffi's son and the elder Hovannisian's grandson Garin wrote in the Washington Times: "... Bad congressional resolutions might well begin to sound like good Philip Larkin: 'Sexual intercourse began /In nineteen sixty-three. .../ Between the end of the Chatterley ban /And the Beatles' first LP.'" This was not the first time that the second junior Hovannisian has ridiculed and poked fun at his martyred Armenian ancestor's Cause.
And now, his father, Raffi, all too willingly attempts to jeopardize the Armenian Cause in return of personal political gains.
In 1992, the Raffi Hovannisian the Armenians knew and respected was the steadfast Foreign Minister of Armenia who clearly uttered the words Armenian Genocide in Turkey. He was fired by the then president of Armenia, Mr. Levon Ter Petrossyan ironically for having been honest. Then, Raffi remained in Armenia and pursued the objective to become the next president of Armenia. His efforts were blocked. When that didn't materialize, his father, Prof. Hovannisian slapped Armenia in the face by preferring Turkey as a "better Democracy" than Armenia. What a change for the worse! Then Raffi's son Garin "punished" Armenia. So if Turkey is a better democracy than Armenia, how come he is not relocating to what is now called Turkey and pursue his political ambitions there by presenting his candidacy for the presidency of Turkey?
By having pandered to Turkey, Hovannisian overdrew on what was left of his political capital in Armenia-Artsakh and around the world. He effectively antagonized literally millions of Armenians. Every year millions of survivors and their descendants flock to the Armenian Genocide monuments in Yerevan and elsewhere. Hundreds of thousands mobilize in marches condemning Turkey's continued denial of the Genocide and the wholesale forced occupation of the Armenian lands.
Hovannisian has de facto attempted to torpedo the justice pursued by the clear majority of Armenians. But in fact he torpedoed his own political career.
The overwhelming majority of Armenians in the homeland and the Diaspora would prefer to see their beloved republics of Armenia and Artsakh transform their soviet-era corrupt bureaucracies into healthy, fully functioning government bodies. But that desire, along with the urge to seek personal political gain, does not give the Hovannisians or anyone else a green light to make erroneous statements, unfairly belittling, and even worse undermine their fledgling new republics and provide damaging ammunition to the enemy.
*Executive Publisher/Managing Editor, USA Armenian Life Magazine, appojabarian@gmail.com i'm sorry and i never forget the AZER陌 GENOC陌DE.
"B陌Z TEK M陌LLET ,陌K陌 DEVLET陌Z"
HAYDAR AL陌YEV
(ALLAH RAHMET EYLES陌N). I'm sure the perpetrators remember it too. Funny how the answers are similar to what Turks answer when you confront them with the alleged genocide. Denial and one's revisiting of history.
Those films show how barbaric and how cruel men can be towards another espcially those with a misguided sense of retribution.
**This is a little off-topic but there was a show in National Geographic about Japanese attrocities in China and of course the Chinese during WW2. Biological experiments were carried out on unsuspecting citizens by the releasing of bubonic plague carrying lice. That in addition to experiments that rivals Joseph Mengele's experiments. The Japanese criminals never came to trial like the Nazis in exchange that they give all scientific data on human experiments over to the Americans. What is unbelievable is that no one even the old speaks about that part in our history anymore. Have they put it all in the past? A lot of them are still living, it was just WW2. But no one even mentions it, a lot of my relatives in China don't speak of it unless you ask them. we will never forget, I mean how can anyone forget some thing like this..
this is PURE HATE..
Hopefully we can all put them in the past and this would never repeat, EVER AGAIN..
I also agree with young turk, for both sides..An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
I remember our people who died of most brutal death, with love..and limitless sadness..
And that should be a shame on people who talks about 1915 war, this has happened 16 years ago.. remember Hocali massacre.Armenian bastards attacking unarmed kids and mothers.Beating old man and woman to death.
and cheering for a cheap victory. I remember it well. I wonder what excuse Alana will give for the Armenian attacks on Azeri Karaba臒, and for the murder of innocent Azeri women and children. Oh perhaps, the Azeris committed suicide and left notes blaming innocent Armenian soldiers. |
